(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[Takemiya Comments 2008 NA Ing Masters Gus Price (7d) vs Mingjiu Jiang (7p)]PW[Gus Price]PB[Mingjiu Jiang]WR[7d]BR[7p]DT[2008-08-04]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]AN[Todd Blatt]US[Dennis Wheeler]C[USGO15 [-\]: Mingjui wins nigiri and chooses black
mike2096 [5k\]: how old is taka now?
Suicide [8k\]: cuz I didn't see it here ^_^
chrono3450 [1d\]: you didnt see the comment JUST before yours?...
USGO15 [-\]: Takemiya has studied the basics of the taisha and avalanche but there are so many variations he's just forgotten them
USGO15 [-\]: he just doesnt' play them
]RE[B+Resign]
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;W[dc]C[USGO15 [-\]: Takemiya is talking about how to get stronger at go.
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;B[qp]C[USGO15 [-\]: He promises to tell the truth even tho we might not believe him
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;W[dq]C[USGO15 [-\]: Go is enjoyable if you get stronger, but there are lots of ways to enjoy Go.
Koons [2k\]: <laughter>
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;B[do]C[USGO15 [-\]: Now, we probably playu to win
USGO15 [-\]: And you feel terrible when you lose
USGO15 [-\]: This is true of everyone in the world.  Americans and Japanese
USGO15 [-\]: Do you want to learn how to do well today, or in the future
USGO15 [-\]: everyone says both...  and are laughing
mike2096 [5k\]: lol
USGO15 [-\]: Takemiya says he understands that, and laughs
baltomazta [3k\]: why cant you just respond to d5 directly?
USGO15 [-\]: No one can say which is better
USGO15 [-\]: God can probably not even tell you that
baltomazta [3k\]: haha ^^
USGO15 [-\]: What is the value of keeping game records
Johnny5 [7k\]: wait, are these games going on right now or is it a review of some from earlier?
USGO15 [-\]: Very valuable thing
sabercat [9k\]: is Jie Li in ING??
USGO15 [-\]: You keep a record of the moves so you can't forget
baltomazta [3k\]: I think Takemiya is just giving tips
USGO15 [-\]: people who keep these records are going to improce
USGO15 [-\]: v
jiva [1k\]: is takemiya talking right now
jiva [1k\]: somebody told me he isn't
USGO15 [-\]: He ids
baltomazta [3k\]: yes....
baltomazta [3k\]: if you play all your games on kgs, games are just a click away.... ^^
sabercat [9k\]: which board is Jie Li on?
USGO15 [-\]: We are clapping to thank Takemiya for sharing
Lilltiger [1d\]: *claps*
USGO15 [-\]: He wants to know if we understand the talk on how to get better at go
USGO15 [-\]: play in the place you want to play, and that makes it hte most fun
USGO15 [-\]: that is the secret to it
jiva [1k\]: i find his comments very insightful
Tsuijin [1d\]: i feel 9p now
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(;W[op]C[USGO15 [-\]: There is negative aspect of trying to win only the current game 
USGO15 [-\]: To be strongest in the future, there is another way, and this is important, and really the truth, though you may not believe it
USGO15 [-\]: But this is how Takemiya became strong
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;B[oo]C[USGO15 [-\]: Everyone looks at an empty board, and has a feeling where they want to play
USGO15 [-\]: A first impressions
USGO15 [-\]: That is very important
USGO15 [-\]: So, you should play there
USGO15 [-\]: Your first feeling
USGO15 [-\]: By playing those moves that is how you are going to become the strongest
USGO15 [-\]: He looks at our faces and says it doesn't look like we believe him!
USGO15 [-\]: No one ever does...
USGO15 [-\]: The reason is because if you play the move you want to play, you usually lose,
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(;W[qq]C[USGO15 [-\]: and people make fun of you for being so weak
USGO15 [-\]: The ones who become stronger faster are those who play these moves
USGO15 [-\]: Maybe you'll have a first impression but you'll reject the move
BlackSmurf [2k\]: hmmm...same game as usgo1....oh i see its the comment ^^
USGO15 [-\]: You might win or lose, but at the end of the game, if you reject your instinctual moves, you'll be playing a game which is not your own
USGO15 [-\]: IF you play the moves that you wanted to play, then you've played your own game.
USGO15 [-\]: Think of the game you want to play, instead of the winning or losing
USGO15 [-\]: If you win, its a wonderful thing
USGO15 [-\]: You'll also understand the moves you wanted to play are not good, and you'll internalize the lesson much better
USGO15 [-\]: Don't just leave the game, but review it.  especially if it is with a stronger player
USGO15 [-\]: In a sense, this move is an unnatural one
USGO15 [-\]: He likes the most natural feeling move
USGO15 [-\]: This is a difficult joseki and he does not like difficult thing
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;B[pp]C[USGO15 [-\]: Its very important to see what is good and bad from your own game
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;W[pq]C[USGO15 [-\]: If you lose, you should continue and play another game.  In order to become stronger, you should follow what I've just told you
USGO15 [-\]: Go has to be enjoyable when you play it
USGO15 [-\]: ...and winning is enjoyable
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;B[oq]C[USGO15 [-\]: and that is the hard part
USGO15 [-\]: There are lots of ways to enjoy the game of Go, and playing it the way you want to play it, is one.
USGO15 [-\]: Everyone probably enjoys and has fun playing go, but some times playing go is difficult and gives you that feeling and it is too much of a challange and you dont know where to play
USGO15 [-\]: even professionals are the same
USGO15 [-\]: Professionals as well have times where they know where to play, but other times its not clear
USGO15 [-\]: Go is really an infinite game, a game without limits
USGO15 [-\]: for professionals and amateurs, the more they think the more difficult it becomes
USGO15 [-\]: that is the depth of go and that is the wonder of go
USGO15 [-\]: Even if it is something he may not know, he'll have an impression of where to play
kilroy [2d\]: so blitz is good?
USGO15 [-\]: If he is distracted by the result of the game, like if the game is for a title, he won't play as well
ketchup [5k\]: it makes sense why people like blitz if you look at it this way :P
chrono3450 [1d\]: he's saying 2 parts - 1. play instinct. 2. review to find out if instinct is bad or good
USGO15 [-\]: This is not just for go, but probably all sports
chrono3450 [1d\]: without 2, 1 is not as valuable
USGO15 [-\]: The people at the top of their field usually behave this way
USGO15 [-\]: The top people in any field are usually humble
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;B[or]C[USGO15 [-\]: If you look at the game of Go and look at the top players, each person has their own way and individuality
USGO15 [-\]: but they all are nice people
USGO15 [-\]: so you should copy the style of a professional player of someone you like
USGO15 [-\]: Really, we should all try to play in the place you want to play
USGO15 [-\]: try playing where you want to go, and have confidence and believe in yourself
USGO15 [-\]: Takemiya just recreated the game without looking at the order
USGO15 [-\]: He can understand the order by looking at the formation
USGO15 [-\]: up until now he had only been talking, and not yet looking at the game
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;W[rp]C[USGO15 [-\]: He predicted S4
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;B[ro]C[USGO15 [-\]: S5 is probably the next move
USGO15 [-\]: either S2 or S3 would be good here
chrono3450 [1d\]: are you replaying what takemiya is saying? or what is happening?
USGO15 [-\]: this is a difficult joseki
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;W[rq]C[USGO15 [-\]: Takemiya comments
Sigilus [19k\]: USGO15 is the transcriber
chrono3450 [1d\]: i know lol
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;B[qo]C[USGO15 [-\]: He chooses simply joseki in tournament matches
USGO15 [-\]: and avoids the avalance and taisha
USGO15 [-\]: These josekis dominate a quareter of the board
USGO15 [-\]: and anyone can do that... anyone could be playing
USGO15 [-\]: he likes to play his go
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;B[nr]
;W[mr]C[baltomazta [3k\]: how strong is takemiya?
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;B[mq]C[Meepy [-\]: lol
trebleclef [4k\]: lol
fly [1k\]: 9p
aware [2k?\]: lol!
trebleclef [4k\]: 9p cosmic go
USGO15 [-\]: He says this is not good for white
baltomazta [3k\]: :P, had to ask
USGO15 [-\]: for the reasons he showed
USGO15 [-\]: This is really the end of the game
USGO15 [-\]: thank you for coming
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;W[lr]C[megabeest [10k\]: lol
USGO15 [-\]: White plays here
Rakeliem [1k\]: this game just happened?
USGO15 [-\]: He will have trouble if black plays M3
krakengo [1k\]: oh no
USGO15 [-\]: live game
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;W[lp]C[USGO15 [-\]: Everyone laughs, since this is what happened
USGO15 [-\]: It is nicer to play L2, but he could push out with the atari's in n4
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;B[mp]
;W[no]C[USGO15 [-\]: the problem is that if he pushes thru, a whit emove at about r9 is attacking the black stones
USGO15 [-\]: This way is okay but L2 is safe
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(;B[kr]C[USGO15 [-\]: This still a mistake for white
USGO15 [-\]: This move is a professional move
USGO15 [-\]: if black had pushed thru, R7 is a good attack on black
USGO15 [-\]: White is in trouble now
USGO15 [-\]: L2 reflects a professional's skill
USGO15 [-\]: So this is a problem and White is in trouble
USGO15 [-\]: R7 is the nicest looking one for now
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(;W[nn]
;B[ls]
;W[qm]C[EagleHelm [11k\]: is white dead?
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;B[rm]C[chrono3450 [1d\]: not dead - but it can be killed
EagleHelm [11k\]: thank you chrono
yoyoma [1d\]: not dead?  How will white make corner alive?
USGO15 [-\]: Takemiya likes it better without the o6 m1 exchange
TheCATS [2d\]: w needs q2 and another move, so w is dead unless he can give b issues on outside
santiago [-\]: white is not alive, not the same a dead
fly [1k\]: why better without the exchange?
chrono3450 [1d\]: that's my point
chrono3450 [1d\]: yes
USGO15 [-\]: its the same if white does or doesnt play at o6, but if you do, then black gets the atari
leperenoel [-\]: but Q2 is not sente now
krakengo [1k\]: because Q2
TheCATS [2d\]: yes, w is not alive, nor can he be locally
chrono3450 [1d\]: not alive =/= dead
TheCATS [2d\]: unless w can force a b tenuki
USGO15 [-\]: playing r7 is much more elegant
krakengo [1k\]: this means w admitted the outside is more important,
krakengo [1k\]: so R3 ??
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(;W[pn]C[baltomazta [3k\]: i dont get it -_- 
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;B[qk]C[USGO15 [-\]: takemiya sees the screen now and exclaims, because this is what we earlier decided was not good for white
USGO15 [-\]: s6 gives white a good chance
USGO15 [-\]: this way there is not a good chance
USGO15 [-\]: and its bad for white
USGO15 [-\]: we went over this sequence earlier
USGO15 [-\]: do you remember?
HamatoYosh [-\]: yes
Rakeliem [1k\]: yes
Sigilus [19k\]: :)
USGO15 [-\]: now there is nothing to be done
USGO15 [-\]: may be finished here
flatulator [9k\]: mingjiu must be well pleased! =)
USGO15 [-\]: This is really a tough situation for white
USGO15 [-\]: No matter how much white thinks about this, it is not going to help
USGO15 [-\]: White has lost this game
chrono3450 [1d\]: after only 39 moves
uurtamo [8k?\]: quite a bold prediction.
uurtamo [8k?\]: perhaps just a strength judgement.
fly [1k\]: Not when  pro is playing
saru411 [4k\]: a prediction made by takemiya
USGO15 [-\]: B's good move was m1
USGO15 [-\]: white's last mistake was q6 instead of s6
baltomazta [3k\]: why cant w s9?
baltomazta [3k\]: <-- cant read more than 2 steps T_T
leperenoel [-\]: wasn't the sicho ok for w...?
baltomazta [3k\]: is this the only tournament round being commented on by a pro?
Suicide [8k\]: Hagios, q6, I think
Rakeliem [1k\]: so s9 needed
USGO15 [-\]: with a small mistake, it might be okay, but a large mistake like this you can't make it up
Suicide [8k\]: white lost
Suicide [8k\]: B+RES
chrono3450 [1d\]: why exactly are you repeating what the scribe says?
chrono3450 [1d\]: for kicks and giggles?
nekobasu [16k\]: Thank you for typing in the Takemiya's comments
Rakeliem [1k\]: me or suidice?
USGO15 [-\]: Takemiya first learned Go from his father, when he was8 years old
chrono3450 [1d\]: suicide
Hagios [4k\]: Thank you USGO15
USGO15 [-\]: in those days, he'd learn one joseki
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(;W[rk]
;B[pk]C[uurtamo [8k?\]: we'll find out now.
baltomazta [3k\]: yeah xD
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(;B[on]
;W[om]C[krakengo [1k\]: yes
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;B[po]
;W[pm]
;B[nm]C[uurtamo [8k?\]: lol
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;W[ol]
;B[nl]C[baltomazta [3k\]: :P
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(;B[rk]C[USGO15 [-\]: this way white is dead
Koons [2k\]: he is a a japanese legend... not playing in this tourney
Suicide [8k\]: not yet
USGO15 [-\]: if b plays q9 instead he's not
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(;B[pk]C[Koons [2k\]: think so yes
Rakeliem [1k\]: he still hasn't played?
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;W[pr]
;B[sp]C[sixsix [-\]: game over folks
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;B[ps]
;W[qs])
(;W[rs]C[sixsix [-\]: B+R
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;B[sr]
(;W[sq]
;B[rr]C[Suicide [8k\]: q1 seki?
chrono3450 [1d\]: Q1 before S2?
Hagios [4k\]: o3 losing move, then?
])
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;B[ms]
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;B[so]C[chrono3450 [1d\]: no
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;W[sm])
(;W[so]C[chrono3450 [1d\]: before T1, T5
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;B[sn]
;W[ss]
;B[so]
;W[po]))))))
(;W[rn]C[USGO15 [-\]: insteadthis is the last chance
leperenoel [-\]: white is playiang a difficuld game... never good against a profesional player ^^
USGO15 [-\]: here white would end up behind, but it wouldn't completely over
USGO15 [-\]: white can keep on fighting if he went this way
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;W[sm]
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;B[po]
;W[so]
;B[pn]C[baltomazta [3k\]: oh wow
baltomazta [3k\]: thats pro
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;B[ms]
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;B[ql]C[HamatoYosh [-\]: nuts
USGO15 [-\]: this way is tough
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;W[rm]C[USGO15 [-\]: or maybe not
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;B[pl]
;W[pn]
;B[po]
;W[so]
;B[pn]
;W[pk]
;B[qk]
;W[qj]))))
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(;B[om]
(;W[so]
;B[nm]C[USGO15 [-\]: this is probablhy B's strongest response
USGO15 [-\]: but then white still is not totally crushed
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(;W[sm]))))
(;W[rl]C[yoyoma [1d\]: chrono it's more clear to say locally dead.  Becasuse "not alive" could mean white can add a move to live local
USGO15 [-\]: This is where you'd probably like to play
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(;B[pm]C[USGO15 [-\]: B would play one of these, probably here
Rakeliem [1k\]: I wish usgo was in bold
TheCATS [2d\]: i would've guessed crosscut :(
USGO15 [-\]: This is a stiff move on white
USGO15 [-\]: This is where Takemiya thinks black will play
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(;W[pn]C[USGO15 [-\]: The strongest would probably be here
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(;B[qn]
;W[ql]
;B[on]
;W[om]
;B[po]
;W[ol]C[saru411 [4k\]: quiet mode please
USGO15 [-\]: Now, black would be in some danger
])
(;B[ql]
;W[qn]
;B[rn]C[USGO15 [-\]: this way white has two places he needs to play p6 and s9
USGO15 [-\]: so all white can do is the double atari
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(;B[nl]C[USGO15 [-\]: white would be in trouble
USGO15 [-\]: doesn't go well for white
])))))
(;W[rn]C[USGO15 [-\]: and this is a good response for white in this case
USGO15 [-\]: if he trise to capture black unreasonably, then its going to be dangerous for him
ShihChing [8k\]: How many people approximately are listening to Takemiya speak in person?
USGO15 [-\]: 200
baltomazta [3k\]: xD..
Rakeliem [1k\]: o.o
kyuboy [9k\]: hopes
kyuboy [9k\]: old man wins
kyuboy [9k\]: =\]
uurtamo [8k?\]: what kind of crowds does he draw in japan?  i'm curious if this is a small or large crowd for him.
USGO15 [-\]: There is a lot of discussion and variations with white playinghere
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;B[qn]
;W[sm]
;B[so]C[kyuboy [9k\]: o.o
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(;B[ql]C[USGO15 [-\]: This way might be a little bit dangerous for black
Oshi [3k\]: q7?
USGO15 [-\]: The crosscut wouldn't go well for black this way
USGO15 [-\]: There is another way to get to the ko.  it is also bad for black
USGO15 [-\]: so this cut is danger ous for black
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;W[pl]
;B[qk]
;W[rn]
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;W[sm]
;B[pm]
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;W[mo]
;B[ms]
;W[qm]C[USGO15 [-\]: b has no ko threats
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;B[pn]C[USGO15 [-\]: b iz taken here
]))))
(;W[qm]C[Rakeliem [1k\]: o.o
USGO15 [-\]: There is probably not much else to do besides this
])
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;B[kq]
;W[pr]
;B[ls]
;W[on]
;B[ql]C[USGO15 [-\]: This might happen
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;W[rs]C[USGO15 [-\]: White owes a move here
USGO15 [-\]: but it is still a bad shape for white
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;W[nn]
;B[kr]
;W[pr]
;B[ls]))
(;B[lq]C[Rakeliem [1k\]: ok
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;W[lp]
(;B[kq]C[ShihChing [8k\]: Even better -- get our honored guest a teaching account and a microphone. Please.
USGO15 [-\]: This may be good
])
(;B[mp]
;W[no]
;B[kr]C[USGO15 [-\]: This way would be okay
])))
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;B[nn]C[USGO15 [-\]: There is a ladder here
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(;B[lq]C[USGO15 [-\]: but there is this
USGO15 [-\]: the first ladder hits the white stone
USGO15 [-\]: butblack can play this way
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(;W[kq]
;B[mo]C[USGO15 [-\]: and this is a net
])
(;W[pr]
;B[no]
;W[mp]
;B[lp]C[USGO15 [-\]: If white plays Q2, then the ladder is good for black
])))
(;W[mq]C[USGO15 [-\]: That is why this is the joseki
USGO15 [-\]: this kosumi, throwing away the corner stones, then it is better
Hagios [4k\]: Is this an emergency move, or can W hope for a result that is not terrible, here?
USGO15 [-\]: Joseki
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: i think white would strill lose because of this result
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: ok nvm
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: im dumb
USGO15 [-\]: Learning joseki teaches you the best move in a variaty of position
USGO15 [-\]: but it doesn't matter if you learn them. its okay to forget them
USGO15 [-\]: You should play the moves you want to play
USGO15 [-\]: anywhere you like
ShihChing [8k\]: Liberal fellow..
jiva [1k\]: wow
jiva [1k\]: was that takemiya that just said that?
Rakeliem [1k\]: game still going?
chrono3450 [1d\]: np
chrono3450 [1d\]: no
chrono3450 [1d\]: W resigned
Hagios [4k\]: Rakeliem: No, Minjiu Jiang won by resignation
Rakeliem [1k\]: ok
Rakeliem [1k\]: thanks
Koons [2k\]: jiva, yes it was take who said that
USGO15 [-\]: Usually the move that comes to you first is a good move
USGO15 [-\]: Its not a game where the more you think, the more likely you'll find a better move... its a game where the more that you think about it the more problems you'll uncover
USGO15 [-\]: the most appropriate is the one you think of first
USGO15 [-\]: Reading is certainly important, and yoiu have to read.  the move that comes to you/ appeals to you first.  you shouldn't overthink
USGO15 [-\]: Its like falling in love
USGO15 [-\]: that first feeling you get... ah.. okay
chrono3450 [1d\]: lol
USGO15 [-\]: play go like you're falling in love
USGO15 [-\]: Its not that theres a deeper meaning... the pro figures out where he is going to play pretty quickly.  in the opening they take a long time to settle themselves and get into the mood
Violet [2d\]: that's quite nice
Violet [2d\]: "play go like you're falling in love"
USGO15 [-\]: In go there are a lot of personalities, careful and cautious people, others who play quickly and roughly
USGO15 [-\]: The trick is to balance.  sometimes you can be careless sometimes cautious
Lilltiger [1d\]: like falling in love.. hmm run and hide behind a pillow, you sure that would work.. :p
USGO15 [-\]: finding the balance is the right thing
USGO15 [-\]: You cant be too careless, and oyu cant be too cautious
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;B[pr]
;W[qr]C[USGO15 [-\]: but he doesnt know joseki actually
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;W[lr]
;B[nr]
;W[no]
;B[lq]
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;B[rs]
;W[on]
;B[ql]C[ShihChing [8k\]: When you say "he", you are talking of Takemiya?
ShihChing [8k\]: I offer the suggestion of typing literal transcription of his words instead..
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;W[kp]C[USGO15 [-\]: yes
USGO15 [-\]: This is a joseki he thinks
USGO15 [-\]: and white would give up the corner
])))
(;W[no]C[USGO15 [-\]: This is most natural
USGO15 [-\]: This is not a bad response and is more natural than R3
USGO15 [-\]: Natural moves should be the best moves
]))
(;W[oq]C[Koons [2k\]: wow... a question about the game
USGO15 [-\]: He can't say which is better, low or high.  both have their advantages or disadvantages
])
(;W[np])
(;W[pq]C[USGO15 [-\]: this ones bad
USGO15 [-\]: but the others he doesnt know which is better
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